[f_minor] Jobs' death

Fri Oct 7 14:30:28 EDT 2011

This discussion is not appropriate for this list. Please keep on
topic!!!!!!!!!!!

Stephanie

On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Erich Schmidt <ericharleschmidt at mac.com>wrote:

> Pat,
>
> in your statement by claiming that his field was Technology (which it
> wasn't)
>
> citation needed. no contradiction
>
> superb spin doctor and seller of snake oils and Dr Katzendünger's
> All-Curing Potion.
>
> seriously? and you don't think you're trolling?
>
> I'm very happy that you can see through all the smoke and mirrors that the
> millions of the rest of us all fall for. You are clearly the pinnacle of the
> evolution of our species.
>
> Harley Davidson -- well, nice extrapolation from the limited subset that
> live around you.
>
> Not that I need to justify anything to you, but I bought an iPhone because
> it does what I need it to do, all without any hassle whatsoever, other than
> the occasional dropped call (which I got with Nokia, Motorola and Sony
> Ericsson, too).
>
> I for one have serious doubts wether the visions of one Steve Jobs will
> influence future thinking or have a lasting impact.
>
> Your clear unbiased thinking really lends a lot of power and influence to
> your doubts. When your staggering intellect is taken from us I look forward
> to the tributes from the likes of President Obama, Bill Gates, Michael
> Bloomberg, Lance Armstrong, Robert Iger, Howard Stringer, Spike Lee,
> will.i.am, John Lassetter, Dmitri Medvedev, Sergey Brin & Larry Page, Mark
> Zuckerberg, et al.
>
> Oh, and we can compare my clear thinking and yours any time you like.
>
> On Oct 7, 2011, at 1:53 PM, p z wrote:
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> Dear all
>
> One last OT
>
> Cara Stefy is absolutely right and Mr Schmidt is the one trolling in his
> Golden Apple Cage of Ignorance. And you contradicted yourself in your
> statement by claiming that his field was Technology (which it wasn't) but
> yet he was a superb spin doctor and seller of snake oils and Dr
> Katzendünger's All-Curing Potion.
>
> As for the Harley thing I noticed over the years that a lot of blokes in my
> village suddenly start to buy 750cc machines after the age of 40 and behave
> like youngens. How come I wonder ? Dreams ? Life style ? And how come you
> bought your iPhone, Mr Schmidt ? Call me a Troll, but I am the sort of Terry
> Pratchett Troll. They get smart when it gets cold outside.
>
> May I ask you, Mr Schmidt, did you buy that iPhone purely on the reasons of
> its tech specifications ? I doubt that. You also fell for the spin doctoring
> and, alas , you are not alone.
>
> The compositions of Bach, Mahler and Chopin, the music of GG, the Beatles,
> Hendrix, John Coltrane, the paintings of Picasso, Goya and the writings of
> Dante, Shakespeare, the ideas of Edison or Ford (however dubious characters
> they were) will stand the test of time. I for one have serious doubts wether
> the visions of one Steve Jobs will influence future thinking or have a
> lasting impact.
>
> My GG box set will arrive next week so I am no longer going to bother you
> all with tiring OT stuff. I can't wait, especially the Humphrey Burton
> Interview so next week I'll be quite busy.
>
> Pat
>
> Am 07.10.2011 um 13:03 schrieb Erich Schmidt:
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> Excuse me? How was my mind closed? His field was technology, not marketing.
> He was a master marketer, but that was not his field. Not sure how that
> makes my mind closed.
> Any Harley riders out there? Oh, wait, there can't be -- they only sell
> dreams, status symbols and life styles.
>
> On Oct 7, 2011, at 6:14 AM, stefyz71 at gmail.com wrote:
>
> Dear Erich Schmidt,
> I'm afraid you expose your closed mind with your reply.
> I meant that Jobs was just a marketing genius in the same way that
> Harley-Davidson (i.e.) is: they sell dreams, status symbols, life styles,
> not specifically items.
> I hope I clarified the concept now.
> Best iRegards,
> Stefy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Erich Schmidt <ericharleschmidt at mac.com>
> *To:* Discussion of the Canadian pianist Glenn Gould.<f_minor at glenngould.org>
> *Sent:* Friday, October 07, 2011 11:40 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [f_minor] Jobs' death
>
> I'm sorry, but you expose your ignorance by calling his field marketing.
> You can not have exposed yourself to much knowledge about Jobs' life.
>
> Sent from Max's Daddy's iPhone. And stuff.
>
> On Oct 7, 2011, at 4:05 AM, stefyz71 at gmail.com wrote:
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> I completely agree with Pat, this sick world, as usual, celebrates
> exploiters as gods:
>
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> <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1382396/Workers-Chinese-Apple-factories-forced-sign-pledges-commit-suicide.html>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1382396/Workers-Chinese-Apple-factories-forced-sign-pledges-commit-suicide.html
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> <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1389218/iPad2-factory-explosion-Fire-building-China-kills-workers.html>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1389218/iPad2-factory-explosion-Fire-building-China-kills-workers.html
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> And oh yes he was certainly a genius in his field (marketing) but he isn't
> certainly sitting beside Leonardo right now, sorry.
>
> OT off from me too,
> Stefy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* p z <pzumst at bluewin.ch>
> *To:* Discussion of the Canadian pianist Glenn Gould.<f_minor at glenngould.org>
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 06, 2011 11:52 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [f_minor] Jobs' death
>
> Well, I was not trolling and I have not failed. Maybe I was inappropriate
> but because the Haigiography is already at work in the media I may as well
> be heretical in the case of the late Mr Jobs.
>
> Please keep in mind that GG's popularity is not just based on the music but
> also his Haigiography (the chair, humming, eccentricities etc). Hereafter
> stands well as Exibit A here I reckon. Or, as a general example Walter
> Miller's satire Canticle for Leibowitz in which Haigiography goes horribly
> wrong for a while, with devastating consequences
>
> The Cult of Personality has reached heights these days that scare me. Today
> I saw pictures of people paying tribute with flowers and candles to Mr Jobs.
> Wich is all nice and fine.
>
> But the cult that was made around Apple and Jobs was sometimes so
> overwhelming it hurts and was almost the equivalent of religious extasis
> while their products were overrated and overpriced. Not to mention that they
> stopped making cool stuff but only products for the mass market.
>
> Again, nothing against the fact that people pay their respect, but there is
> something here that is nagging me. Probably the Haigiography. Does it bother
> me that "we" believe in brands now (and to a certain extent even GG is a
> brand) instead of ideas or philosophical concepts ? Yes.
>
> GG was fully aware that his manierisms would give him more press and help
> to sell records, he perfected this art to  final self-deconstruction.
> Jobs, an entrepreneur, was also arare of the power of Haigiography and
> milked that cow to a point where it even might have scared him.
>
> At least in the case of GG there is substance behind the Haigiography. And
> of course Mr Jobs' demise is sad. But the Apple hype is just that, a hype.
>
> OT off from me
>
> Pat
> Am 06.10.2011 um 20:04 schrieb Erich Schmidt:
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> Epic fail, Pat. Nice troll, though.
>
> On Oct 6, 2011, at 1:57 PM, p z wrote:
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> Hi all, also OT
>
> Now suppose I were to sell you a "computer" with a hard disk of 64 GB (no
> SSD), a 10 inch screen with ridiculously low resolution and 2 old VGA
> cameras, 1 GHz Intel DualCore chip (haha), no USB, no Firewire, but a
> hilariously closed pseudo operating system that needs its own store. If you
> buy summet from that store 30 % of what you pay goes to me. this device
> cannot do basic functions such as copy/paste or play certain video or audio
> formats. compared to this environment North Korea looks like Las Vegas. But
> hey, the design and the form factor are absolutely amazing and genius so I
> am going to create a huge buzz behind a veil of secrecy call it the
> reinvention of the computer and charge you "just" 800 Euros for that, plus
> data plan from carrier on which I might have a percentage), make sure it
> becomes a cult object sold to millions who don't really need this thing and
> enter the history books and the annals of IT Hagiography, Myth and Legend
>
> Somehow I cannot help but to admire such chuzpe.
>
> Pat
>
> Am 06.10.2011 um 15:58 schrieb maryellen jensen:
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> One cannot say this is OT - Jobs dying is THE TOPIC*everywhere* today.
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> I just want to pass along a link to one of the longest published interviews
> Jobs ever did,
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> The Playboy Interview 1985:
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> <http://www.txtpost.com/playboy-interview-steven-jobs/>
> http://www.txtpost.com/playboy-interview-steven-jobs/
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